Monday, February 4, 2008

Philosophy Of The Stock Market

Philosophy Of The Stock Market

Once upon a time in a village, a man appeared and announced to the villagers
that he would buy monkeys for RM 10. The villagers, seeing that there were
many monkeys in the forest, went out and started catching them. The man
bought thousands at RM 10 and as supply started to diminish and villagers
started to stop their efforts, he announced that now he would buy them at RM 20
This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys
again. Soon, the supply diminished even further and people started going
back to their farms. The offer rate increased to RM 25 and the supply of
monkeys became so that it was an effort to even see a monkey, let alone
catch it. The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at RM 50.
However, since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant
would now buy on behalf of the man.

In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers, "Look at all
the monkeys in the big cage that the man has collected. I will sell them to
you at RM 35 and when the man comes back, you can sell them to him for
RM 50 each.

The villagers queued up with all their savings to buy the monkeys.
After that, neither the assistant nor the businessman could be found
anywhere but the monkeys were everywhere!

Kandungan posting mungkin ada kena mengena atau tidak dengan makhluk yang hidup atau yang telah tiada.Kalau sapa-sapa terasa nak buat macamana kan. Sapa makan cabai melaka dia pedaih laa


cakapaje said...

Salam Doc,

Lol! Now, this is certainly amonkey business and not a case of monkey see monkey do! lol! Thanks Doc!

Kata Tak Nak said...

Well, its kinda like I give you RM12 kain pelekat and RM50 cash. Then I rob you thousands of RMs. Is it I am clever or You are stupid?

tokasid said...


Most probably the biznizmen and his assistant are chimpanzees but the villages are beruks and the monkeys are really monkeys.

mokk said...

Salam Mamat..

LOL....mamat,to make monkey more atractive or value added kat monkey...just beli dye bulu..color pink ke..blonde ke...boleh lah jual rm 65...

mokk said...

Salam Mamat..

LOL....mamat,to make monkey more atractive or value added kat monkey...just beli dye bulu..color pink ke..blonde ke...boleh lah jual rm 65...

tokasid said...


You see, the season for kain batik and RM50/= is just around the corner.

We sure will have lots of monkeys buying themselves to be sold back to their masters.

Why? Because monkeys, like the homo sapien of Malay stock Mudah Lupa.

bergen said...

I'm not in the inner circle to know for sure how markets are manipulated. Sorros had a way to do that, and I believe governments world over have a hand in it. No, I don't believe for a second that market forces behave according to the theories in the books people read in classes in the university.

In the 80s when the market was in the up swing, people would gawk at the screen all day. They'd behave like punters in a horse race when the price of a stock went up.
Yes, I remember the big crash when the screen was red.

But people never learn when there's big money involved.
Never for a moment believe that market movement is dictated by the fundamentals. The way I've figured, it's a casino.

The story you've got here is correct correct correct. Imagine, farmers toil the land to farm paddy but the price is determined by a couple of guys in expensive Armani suits in a downtown office who know nothing about how hard it is to grow paddy and having to deal with the weather.

It's a cruel system created by the Jews.

I'd say it's high time for Islamic Economic System 100%.

Kata Tak Nak said...

I'd say it's high time for Islamic Economic System 100%.

I am with Bergen all the way. Any system that has the hands of the Jews in it, is not a system. Its systematic but its not a system. Its a tool.

de_kerinchi said...

salam dr. tok asid...

business monyet yang berjaya...memang business minded

pengajaran yang boleh kita dapati ialah, peluang yang datang bukan semestinya menguntungkan kita, sebagai penjual...dan harga yang mahal bukan bererti tiada keuntungan kepada pembeli, yang penting strategi mesti baik....

tokasid said...


I have always understand that in selling and buying you need to have the product to deal with ,for the exchange to happen for money or its equal to change hands.

And I never understood stock market.Not like some of my friends.
I just cannot comprehend how selling and buying are made by phone calls for the products that you don't even know how it looks like and whats its purpose are to you.And for the prices to change to fast and sudden. And worse still these prices change due to sentiments or some bad news or some good news or some coup in a far away land. I mean what has these changes or incidences had to do with the products you wanna buy or sell?

What has the death of a President of USA had to do with let say the price of sugar?Or cement? Or fuel?
I'm no economist so I can't understand all this stuff.

And the craziness of the stock markets is that of in the Las Vegas or Kowloon or Genting Highland casinos.

I remember vividly,about 8 yeras ago around 5.00pm, a Malay guy called me up.Introduced himself and told me he is in the future markets.I asked him what does that mean and he started to explain about it and finally asked me to invest 10k.

When I asked him what is it that I'm buying and he said what ever I like.It can be oinions or potatoes or tine or sweet potatoes.I asked him where are these products anyway and he told me most probably in Port Kelang,Most probably. And I asked him can I see the products .I must make sure it really existed and in good condition.You can't pay for some rotting potatoes or oinions.
He told me I have to trust him which I told him I didn't since I've never seen him before and this is the first time we talk to each other.Over the phone.

He kept pestering me until I can feel steam coming out through my scalp. Finally I told him,: Dik..dalam Islam kalau nak berjual beli mestilah pembeli dan penjual mengenali barang tersebut,di mana barang tersebut dan adakah barang tersebut dalam keadaan elok. Bila pembeli berpuas hati dgn produk tersebut baru lah di bayar utk harga yg di persetujui. macam yg adik buat ni lebih kepada peramalan.macam tikam nombor ekor saja.

With that our conversation ended.

Future markets,stock markets and Forex markets are runned by greed. Plain pure greed. These markets can be manipulated at whims and fancies of people with financial powers.
Many made it big but more became a bankcrupt.Just like tikam ekor or Toto or Da Ma Cai.

I am stupid to the 100th degree when it comes to all this markets.But I am grateful I am stupid.

tokasid said...


I am with Bergen and you about the Islamic Economic System.Just imagine to unsury to trapped the people.

tokasid said...

Saudara de_kerinchi;

Kisah yang saya paparkan adalah satu scam penipuan yang amat licik yang di lakukan oleh penipu-penipu profesional yang mengambil kesempatan ke atas orang-orang awam yang mungkin kurang pendidikan atau yang naive.

Tidak semestinya mangsa mesti dari kawasan luar bandar dan tak semestinya barngan mesti monyet.
Kita lihat di Malaysia dari dulu hingga kini...ramai sering jadi mangsa tipu scam begini. Pelaburan labu peram,pak man telo dan lain-lain adalah contoh. Sekarang saban minggu di klinik dan peti surat rumah di tinggalkan brochures bagaimana nak dapat 20k seminggu! Ada yang tak perlu jual produk!!

RM20k seminggu! Siapa yang tak gelap mata membacanya. Kita cuma bayar 1k sebagai pendaftaran dan akan di beri beberapa buku yg kononnya di diskaunkan kepada kita.

Scam scam begini mereka tahu akan kelemahan kebanyakkan orang.Tamak kan wang. Kebanyakan kita mahu jadi kaya raya.Kalau boleh kaya segera dengan usaha yang minimal.

Kelemahan ini yang di eksploitasikan oleh pengendali scam-scam.

Strategi yang baik tidak perlu menipu dalam perniagaan. halal yang penting.

Malangnya dalam masyarakat kita, perkataan halal cuma untuk di sebut sahaja bukan untuk di jadikan amalan dalam urusan mencari rezeki.

blackpurple @ jowopinter said...

Manipulasi golongan 'cerdik' terhadap golongan yang 'kurang cerdik'.

Tapi cerdik itu juga subjektif. Samada cerdik yang jujur atau cerdik mengenakan orang lain.


Fauziah Ismail said...

Salam Tokasid
The businessman and his assistant made monkeys out of the villagers.

Zabs said...

Salam Doc.,
Never could understand the stock market and the fluctuation of the stocks prices.
Tetapi semasa Pak Man Telo tengah panas dulu ada juga nak melabur, tetapi terlambat seminggu, Pak Man telah dicekup.
Back to the monkeys bizness, the time is nearer now for the monkeys to be bought again.
Thanks Doc., for that Philosophy of the Stock Market.

Zabs said...
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tokasid said...

Wak Pinter:

Benar,kata hikmat di sini ialah JUJUR.

Satu sifat yang semakin mengundur diri dari kamus kehidupan modern ini.

tokasid said...


How true. And I'm worried we'll have more monkeys come the 12th GE.

If only the GE can be a fair battle ground for both the ruling govt and the oppositions. Unfortunately it is not and we are a very long way to achive that.

But as politic of the day is everything about propaganda both sides will present to us lots of trash and half truth, quater truth or complete lies to win. Our society have not achieve the thinking voter stage yet. Mainly we are flock voters.

tokasid said...

Pak zabs:

Dari dulu saya sering anggap pasaran saham yg ada sekarang hanyalah perjudian yg di iktiraf seluruh dunia.

Zaman pak man telo(PMT) saya berkerja di hospital Taiping. Begitu ramai kakitangan hospital ,tentera dan polis menyertai program pak man telo.

Ramai yang dapat selesai pembayaran kereta,motorsikal dan rumah yg mereka belikan. Kemudian, pak man telo mengembangkan sayap ke luar dari Perak.Ramai wakil-wakil di lantik dan selepas itu bermulalah berita-berita penyelewengan wakil2 PMT. Sejak itu siasatan intensif dari Bukit Aman dan akhirnya PMT kecundang. Bagi peserta yg telah bertahun-tahun dalam PMT, mereka tidak rugi apa-apa. Malah mereka telah pulang modal dan dapat memiliki Proton Saga serta motorsikal atau dapat menambah peralatan rumah dan set sofa. yang baru masuk ramai yg kerugian.

Ya Pemilu ke 12 sudah hampir. Perniagaan monyet akan berkembang semula.

Kerp (Ph.D) said... took me some time to understand the systematic manipulation. hehe...soo clever.

Mior Azhar said...

Salam Doc:
Hmm, how very clever. It's all about greed. Period.

Zawi said...

Give the villager some time and they will forget the incident and you can cheat them the same way again.